Wita,
za 20dni bede konczyl cykl i oto moje pytanie jaka odzywke zarzucic na koncowke kuracji(razem z odblk)? stosowalem rozne formy kreatyny(mono,stack..),Nitrobolon,Massacre.. Wiec teraz chcialem poczuc cos zupelnie nowego myslalem nad napalmem lub animal Stak ktora z nich byscie proponowali? czy moze cos innego? jak to wyglada u was? z gory wielkie dzieki za rady;) Pozdro!

daj krete 20-25g ed i nie kombinuj. do tego bcaa duzo przed tr.

tak wogole po co konczysz? i tak zaraz znowu wejdziesz

minikox musisz byc bardo mini

Użytkownik Matek09 dnia 17 czerwiec 2011 - 12:30 napisał

dobre mono imkosport/pxs/best body lub green magnitude CL

Przede wszystkim gluta/bcaa i odżywka białkowa jeśli jest potrzeba,jeśli chodzi o krety,popatrz w dziale suplementacja,chociaż sam możesz popatrzeć po kreatynach i wziąć jakieś połączenie fajne i potem popatrzeć jak opinie

Użytkownik młody91 dnia 18 czerwiec 2011 - 15:05 napisał

gluta w jakim celu?

W tym samym celu co BCAA

Użytkownik młody91 dnia 18 czerwiec 2011 - 17:04 napisał

bcaa dziala wg badan gluta NIE

Użytkownik kwp19 dnia 18 czerwiec 2011 - 17:09 napisał

skąd takie informacje ??

[http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/11822473]

The purpose of this study was to assess the effect of oral glutamine supplementation combined with resistance training in young adults. A group of 31 subjects, aged 18-24 years, were randomly allocated to groups (double blind) to receive either glutamine (0.9 g x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 17) or a placebo (0.9 g maltodextrin x kg lean tissue mass(-1) x day(-1); n = 14 during 6 weeks of total body resistance training. Exercises were performed for four to five sets of 6-12 repetitions at intensities ranging from 60% to 90% 1 repetition maximum (1 RM). Before and after training, measurements were taken of 1 RM squat and bench press strength, peak knee extension torque (using an isokinetic dynamometer), lean tissue mass (dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) and muscle protein degradation (urinary 3-methylhistidine by high performance liquid chromatography). Repeated measures ANOVA showed that strength, torque, lean tissue mass and 3-methylhistidine increased with training (P < 0.05), with no significant difference between groups. Both groups increased their 1 RM squat by approximately 30% and 1 RM bench press by approximately 14%. The glutamine group showed increases of 6% for knee extension torque, 2% for lean tissue mass and 41% for urinary levels of 3-methylhistidine. The placebo group increased knee extension torque by 5%, lean tissue mass by 1.7% and 3-methylhistidine by 56%. We conclude that glutamine supplementation during resistance training has no significant effect on muscle performance, body composition or muscle protein degradation in young healthy adults.


[http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/11834123]

This study examined the potential buffering effect of glutamine on lactic acid production during resistance exercise (to the point of momentary muscular failure).

One hour following glutamine ingestion (0.3g/kg), glycine ingestion (0.3g/kg), or placebo drink ingestion, the trained subjects performed 2 sets each of leg press (@ 200% body weight) and bench press (@ 100% body weight). This would equate to an average of ~23g of either amino acid ingested all at once, but there were no reports of GI discomfort.

Each subject consumed one of the three supplements before three separate testing sessions separated by a week. There was no effect of glutamine on number of reps performed compared to glycine or placebo ingestion. These results indicate that a high dose of glutamine ingested before exercise has no positive or negative effects on weightlifting performance in trained subjects.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12930166

Twenty-nine (17 men, 12 women) collegiate track and field athletes were randomly divided into a creatine monohydrate (CM, n = 10) group, creatine monohydrate and glutamine (CG, n = 10) group, or placebo (P, n = 9) group. The CM group received 0.3 g creatine.kg body mass per day for 1 week, followed by 0.03 g creatine.kg body mass per day for 7 weeks. The CG group received the same creatine dosage scheme as the CM group plus 4 g glutamine.day(-1). All 3 treatment groups parti****ted in an identical periodized strength and conditioning program during preseason training. Body composition, vertical jump, and cycle performances were tested before (T1) and after (T2) the 8-week supplementation period. Body mass and lean body mass (LBM) increased at a greater rate for the CM and CG groups, compared with the P treatment. Additionally, the CM and CG groups exhibited significantly greater improvement in initial rate of power production, compared with the placebo treatment. These results suggest CM and CG significantly increase body mass, LBM, and initial rate of power production during multiple cycle ergometer bouts.


Exercise-induced immunodepression- plasma glutamine is not the link.

Hiscock N, Pedersen BK.

Copenhagen Muscle Research Centre and Department of Infectious Diseases, Rigshospitalet, University of Copenhagen, DK-2100 Copenhagen, Denmark.
Abstract

The amino acid glutamine is known to be important for the function of some immune cells in vitro. It has been proposed that the decrease in plasma glutamine concentration in relation to catabolic conditions, including prolonged, exhaustive exercise, results in a lack of glutamine for these cells and may be responsible for the transient immunodepression commonly observed after acute, exhaustive exercise. It has been unclear, however, whether the magnitude of the observed decrease in plasma glutamine concentration would be great enough to compromise the function of immune cells. In fact, intracellular glutamine concentration may not be compromised when plasma levels are decreased postexercise. In addition, a number of recent intervention studies with glutamine feeding demonstrate that, although the plasma concentration of glutamine is kept constant during and after acute, strenuous exercise, glutamine supplementation does not abolish the postexercise decrease in in vitro cellular immunity, including low lymphocyte number, impaired lymphocyte proliferation, impaired natural killer and lymphokine-activated killer cell activity, as well as low production rate and concentration of salivary IgA. It is concluded that, although the glutamine hypothesis may explain immunodepression related to other stressful conditions such as trauma and burn, plasma glutamine concentration is not likely to play a mechanistic role in exercise-induced immunodepression.

[pełen text: jap.physiology.org/content/93/3/813.full

Użytkownik kwp19 edytował ten post 18 czerwiec 2011 - 17:32

Glutamina stanowi ponad 50% aminokwasów w naszym mięchu,czyli jakby nie patrzeć wcinając glutę+amino dostarczasz w 100% mięśniom tego czego potrzebują,więc niby dlaczego ma nie działać

Leucyne kup zamaist gluty. Mlody masz racje, z tym ze wieksza czesc glutaminy pobierana jest przez organy, tylko niewielki procent,do miesnia (z suplementu), działą także (podobno)korzystnie na prostate, i odpornosć...

ALe cena/dzialanie wypada kiepsko,

Jak masz dobra podaz leucyny to organizm sam z niej wytworzy glutamine.

Tylko z koleidużo leucyny jest w piersi z kurczaka,tuńczyku,białku z jaj,czyli w najbardziej rozpowszechnionych produktach które w naszych dietach występują w sporych ilościach,więc z kolei branie jej w ilościach jakie podają na necie nie ma sensu,najbardziej trafnym rozwiązniem wydaje się być bcaa,bo tam masz wszystkie aminy

Użytkownik młody91 dnia 18 czerwiec 2011 - 18:54 napisał

czytales te badania?widocznie nie dziala ,nawet na odpornosc

gluta imo to proszek nie warty ceny. bcaa samo w sobie jest b.dobre i warte nawet stalej suplementacji jako jeden z niewielu supli zaraz obok kreatyny.

Użytkownik minikox dnia 18 czerwiec 2011 - 20:04 napisał

dokladnie!!!

http://www.ergo-log....aminoacids.html

Użytkownik Matek09 dnia 17 czerwiec 2011 - 12:30 napisał

Jezeli nie probowales Animala Pump to zachecam po cyklu moze byc laczony z A...Mstack i do tego trening HST 6tyg
Oczywiscie standardowo BCAA,o diecie nie bede wspominal.

jak ktos twierdzi,ze nie ma roznicy miedzy mono, to polecam sprobowac niemieckie

mono inkosport/power x sport/best body hardcore creatine

z no bosterow jak masz dostep z ebaya np labrada super charge wesrja z HUMANOFORTEM/white flood+green magnitude/p+c-bol (ewentualnie)

stack green magnitude lub c-bol thermolife.najlepsze zabawki,firm ktore nie robia z geby d...

Użytkownik kwp19 edytował ten post 18 czerwiec 2011 - 21:42

Dzieki!
bcaa stosowalem przez caly cykl i poki co nie mam zamiaru rezygnowac z tych supli, entla chyba zdecyduje sie animal pump nie wiem czy solo czy z mstack wszystko zalezy od funduszy.. Wielkie dzieki za rady pozdr;)

Użytkownik Matek09 dnia 19 czerwiec 2011 - 09:58 napisał

Nie jest tani ale moim zdaniem warty swojej ceny,jezeli A Mstack to 2 x i A Pump mozesz cisnac jak dlugo bedzisz chcial,nie ma ograniczen czasowych.Zycze minimalnych spadkow